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Today we’re going to address the “Circle of Stock.” Cue Disney’s “The Lion King” theme song and call me Mufasa. Just like in the circle of life, what we do affects another group, and returns to affect us again. We have a responsibility to the artists that use our stock to provide legitimate and safe stock resources. As an administrator for a few art groups as well as stock groups, I have seen what happens to the artists who use invalid stock resources. They have had their art declined, or had to replace stock elements through no fault of their own.  This especially includes those who includes celebrity or otherwise copyrighted material, even if it was uploaded to the Resources and Stocks section of :devart:. It isn’t fair to the artists who use the “stock” and hurts the credibility of not only the stock provider who uploads it, but the stock community itself.

Premade backgrounds have always seemed to be floating by in the gray areas, as if somehow they are exempt from the rules because they are manipulated. They slip by without really following :devart: guidelines, and at the same time impose lengthy terms of use themselves.  I’m not singling anyone out; this is a fairly common practice across the premade board.  I realize that some artists don’t want to credit their material to avoid copycats. However, like all manipulated or referenced material on dA, the resources should be credited and linked.  If a stock provider is going to require to be credited by the artist who uses it, so should the stock provider credit the resources that went into the premade.


Here is a statement from the Help Desk regarding Premade Backgrounds:


” Premade backgrounds fall under the same copyright rules as any submission to deviantART, that is you must either have created it entirely through your own means or you must have permission to use any materials you did not create.

With premade backgrounds being distributed as a resource if they do use materials created by others then they must comply fully with the license of that image. If a stock image does not allow redistribution in part, whole or as part of a larger piece then it must not be used as part of a premade background.

deviantART policy is that you must document any sources you use in your creations and we strongly encourage direct linking to the source material. Deviations that do not provide reasonable documentation will first be addressed by volunteers and may be addressed by staff if further action is required.

Any user that uses stock and resources should always check carefully that they are not inadvertently infringing copyright or violating someones license. This is why we require documentation of source material. We would strongly advise that if a premade background does not cite it's source material then it should not be used. Any deviations using invalid stock will be moved to scraps and the invalid stock scrapped or removed.”



The point is also made by one of our Resources & Stock CVs Elandria regarding the subject:


” Everything that uses a resource thats not yours has to be credited so manip or premade makes no difference credits have to be given.

Regardless of the terms of the provider, DA requires that all stock and resources are adequately credited. Its a policy of the site when artists submit their work and therefore overrules even a stock provider saying artists don't need to credit. By all means, don't credit when you post to facebook et al if the stock provider says you don't need to, but here on DA, the policy has always been that ALL resource materials need credit. But yes, officially, premades must credit their sources the same as any other type of art has to.

The biggest thing we are trying to remind premade creators about is that even if they purchase stock from a commercial website that doesn't automatically mean they can use them for premades and its absolutely vital for both them and the artists who might use their premades that everything is above board. Its so important that they double check any terms of use.

Its utterly irresponsible of premade artists to try and pretend they have permission or copyright of images to make their premades with because ultimately the people they are hurting are the artists who take it on good faith that the stock is legit. Crediting their sources is at least one way they can show that they are legitimate - as with all manipulations and other art where a 3rd party resource is used. Its not about proving innocence or any such nonsense, its about clarity and protection for the artists. “



Now, from the Art and Photomanipulation side, here is CV Aeirmid’s perspective:


"I do check every DD before it is posted, and I look for complete credits, as complete crediting is required by dA when posting. If that deviation uses a premade background, I like to see where that premade has come from. I won't give a DD to something that uses a background that I cannot confidently say came from a legitimate source. The artist has to be able to show that he or she has permission to use that source and make it into a background that others can download. "



If you pay attention to the above statement, you see that by failing to use proper resources and failing to credit them, you may be denying an otherwise deserving artist of a DD. Some artists put 15+ hours of work into a single photomanipulation. I’ll be honest, if it were me after doing all of that work,  I would be supremely pissed if my art was removed or denied a DD because the stock provider failed to follow the rules. It is our responsibility as stock providers to ensure that our stocks are legitmate. Ignorance is not an excuse, nor is a language barrier. Google Translate works perfectly well. ( I wouldn’t suggest Bing’s translator though. It once told me that 10eke-stock’s dinner was in the laundry.. :rofl: )


Stock FAQ# 217 clearly states that:


”The use of such materials at deviantART is only permissible if you document your source material (attribution) and can provide a link, along with proof that you have satisfied the terms set in the artist's license.

All artwork submitted to deviantART that uses third party source material must follow the license set by the provider. As the creator of the source material, the provider is able to set specific licenses for different materials and so you must check that you are following the license for each used material.

Failure to comply with the Terms and Conditions or License requirements attached to the stock may result in administrative action being taken against your account.…We urge all artists who rely upon stock or other resources to provide a link to the source in their description even if the owner's terms do not require it. This is in order to prevent any confusion or misunderstandings when using third party material. When linking please be certain to link to the specific URL (web address) of the source material and not to the website in general. This is so that a staff member or other interested user can easily locate the stock item and verify its validity.”


FAQ #217: What are "Stock and Resources" and can I use them in my submissions?


When it comes to resources that go into the premades, what is best? In my opinion, I only feel comfortable using my own and dA based resources to create them. Many outside websites contain redistribution clauses that include redistributing them as resources with alterations. This includes websites such as sxc.hu, which has the redistribution clause clearly displayed in all capital letters. You can read their terms in their entirety here:  www.sxc.hu/help/7_2




:bulletgreen: And Again with DepositPhotos.com:



  
Why such large screenshots? Because it’s important to note, and I could make screenshots all day from similar stock websites, even the ones you pay for. You will find that these terms on outside website are a recurring theme.


Elandria also made mention of this in the latest Resources and Stocks Update Journal:

Stock and Resources UpdatesLETS TALK ABOUT STOCK "REQUESTS"
Every year we get excited, eager, passionate new stock providers entering our small but growing community, and every year these new stock models in particular get targeted by a small group of "requesters" Those of us who have been on the site for more than a few years recognise the types of "requests" I'm talking about and know to absolutely avoid them at all costs, but its something that I've seen more and more regularly over the last few months, and its definitely a concern.
There are standard "pose requests" that are NOT requested for the "artist" to work from.  They are simply asking you to take photos of yourself in provocative poses so they can get off to your stock.
Firstly - please keep in mind that the images you are providing to artists are STOCK ART - they are first and foremost designed to provide artists with useable, useful references, either for traditional art, or digital art or whatever media they choose to create



The portion of the journal above that I want you to pay close attention to is this part:

”We are trying our best to help stock providers understand what they can and can't do with regards to PREMADES and I must make it clear that like ALL PHOTOMANIPULATIONS (which is essentially what they are just being shared) THEY MUST MUST MUST CREDIT all stock sources.  Regardless of if they are your own photos or renders or whatever.  THIS IS DA POLICY and not something you can pretend doesn't exist.

PRO STOCK SITES - DO NOT ALLOW REDISTRIBUTION OF STOCK FILES - so PLEASE stop using them as sources.  SXC, DEPOSITPHOTOS, GETTY, ISTOCK ET AL - its a NO.  Any "premade" found using prohibited stock sources will be removed or warnings sent to the artist.

You can't just state "stock from the internet" as sufficient credit.  Firstly we will beat you round the head a few times with our FAQ then we will make you memorise them. Then we will introduce you to the artists who used "premades" that weren't legit and later had to remove their hours of hard work because "stock providers" couldn't be bothered to use legitimate sources.  They will be far far harder on you than we will.”



Now, what does that mean for us as stock providing group members of The-Stock-Directory? It means that there are new group rules for the submissions of premades going into effect. This group will be a shining example of what it means to be a stock provider and will adhere to all :devart: standards and guidelines. We are a learning based group, and this is an opportunity to learn and grow as stock artists. I apologize if this upsets anyone who does create premades, but we are going to follow the rules that have been set forth by :devart:.

:new: Update: If you have uncredited premades in the group gallery, or if they include stocks from sites such as sxc, I am asking that you either correct the credits or remove them. I will begin a cleaning process of the Premade  Background Folder in two weeks.


:star: From Now On All Premades Must: :star:


:bulletgreen: Be made from dA approved resources.
(i.e. your own photos, or other dA stock artists that allow premades to be created from their stock.)

:bulletgreen: All resources in a premade must be credited and linked. Otherwise, it will be declined until such a time that they are credited and linked. You will be welcome to resubmit it when it has been fixed. This includes any and all photoshop/gimp brushes that you may have used. Remember to always credit yourself as well!

:bulletred: Any generic crediting such as “I got it from so and so” will be declined.

:bulletred: Any premade containing outside resources such as sxc , etc. will be declined.

:bulletred: Any premade that does not have its resources properly credited will be declined.

:bulletred: Any premade that contains copyrighted material, including architectural or landscape photography will be declined. Tineye and Google Image reverse search does work with Premades, fyi.


I can hear it now.. ”But where are we supposed to find legitimate stocks for our premades?” Well, to answer that question, there are number of generous stock providers that allow you to make premade backgrounds from their stock, myself included. All of my landscape, nature, and architectural stocks are available for premades. We also have a sister sub-group on dA designed specifically for resources that can be used in the creation of premade backgrounds:


:iconstock-for-premades:


The sister group  only accepts stock that can be used to make premade backgrounds. If you enjoy making them, I suggest you visit the group first to get started. Always be sure to double check a stock providers rules regarding premades before you submit.

Now that I am approaching 2,000 words in this journal entry, I will end it here. If you have any further questions regarding the policy change or premades, feel free to ask. I would love to hear your thoughts and ideas regarding the issue. Remember, you can always contact the Help Desk: help.deviantart.com/contact/


Our resident Resources and Stock CVs don’t bite either. Actually, they’re quite fantastic people that are worth watching. They know all sorts of things. They are our very own Wizards of Oz. :D


Elandria     Dan-Heffer


The other places you should be watching as a stock provider for all things stock related are:


:iconstockandresources:      :icondevnews:     :iconcommunityrelations:


And at 2,026 words, I am saying until next time!

Love,

-          Cheryl
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:iconjust-a-little-knotty:
Just-A-Little-Knotty Featured By Owner Sep 6, 2012  Professional General Artist
Id love it if you turned this into a tutorial or a personal journal so we could request it to all of our groups :Love:
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:iconcelticstrm-stock:
CelticStrm-Stock Featured By Owner Sep 18, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Here's the link! :D [link]
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:iconjust-a-little-knotty:
Just-A-Little-Knotty Featured By Owner Sep 18, 2012  Professional General Artist
Thanx so much :glomp:
Ive requested it to all my groups & placed it in favorites at 3D-Planet :hug:
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:iconcelticstrm-stock:
CelticStrm-Stock Featured By Owner Sep 19, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
hehe you're welcome! :D
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:iconjust-a-little-knotty:
Just-A-Little-Knotty Featured By Owner Sep 19, 2012  Professional General Artist
:glomp:
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:iconcelticstrm-stock:
CelticStrm-Stock Featured By Owner Sep 18, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I will add it to my journal asap! :D
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:iconjust-a-little-knotty:
Just-A-Little-Knotty Featured By Owner Sep 18, 2012  Professional General Artist
:la: Thank you :glomp:
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DamselStock Featured By Owner Sep 7, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
I'll see if Cheryl will allow me to do that for you :)
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:iconjust-a-little-knotty:
Just-A-Little-Knotty Featured By Owner Sep 7, 2012  Professional General Artist
:clap: Yay! Thank you :hug:
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WDWParksGal Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2012
Added to the resources section of the article collection that will be posted by #DevNews on August 31st.
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:iconcelticstrm-stock:
CelticStrm-Stock Featured By Owner Aug 30, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Awww thank you!! :glomp:
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:iconwdwparksgal:
WDWParksGal Featured By Owner Sep 1, 2012
:nod::iconwelcomeplz:
The article hasn't posted yet at #DevNews but it will soon :aww:
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WDWParksGal-Stock Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Mufasa!
I have an animated stamp on my profile page that says "Google Images is not a stock site -Beware of Copyright" by =Gild-a-Lily - I have explained to many deviants why their submission cannot be acceptd due to using a copyrighted image and I get the same old, "but I gave credit" or "I changed it to be my own" or "I said the image wasn't mine", etc. :blahblah:
I keep coming back with "if you painted white daisies on your neighbor's car does that makes the car yours?" the answer is no, not even considering how pissed off the neighbor would be!
I add brushes to some of my premades (I only use my own stock or my daughter's =AreteStock), and as I told Dan I only use brushes that I have permission to use and allow unrestricted use of their brushes. I have gotten special permission to use a brush that isn't unrestricted, but aside from that I don't download, let alone use, brushes with restrictions. I tell users of the premade to give credit to the brush providers as originally posted in the artist description.
I have posted rules for my stock groups so members can see them prior to submitting, or so deviants can see the rules prior to joining, but it seems to me at best the rules get a cursory look because I turn down more request to be members of stock groups than I accept.
I don't want to appear elitist, but stock groups have a linear focus and they need to follow constrained rules to showcase the stock that is available to deviants. That means people have to follow the rules.
I really do not know why deviants use offsite "stock" when there is SO much great stock right here on dA!
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CelticStrm-Stock Featured By Owner Aug 30, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
hehe I have "do not use my stock with celebrity or copyrighted images" in giant flaming letters on my front page. That drives me nuts. :D
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WDWParksGal-Stock Featured By Owner Aug 31, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I need to get an article written to put out in all my stock groups. I downloaded three or four books onto my iPad regarding copyright and trademark laws, so I want to peruse those then take information from the books and list articles put out by dA and deviants and a big list of FAQs, so I will have an elaborate article to send the link to when deviants try to join that have a Gallery O' Rips or submit obvious violations. There isn't a day that goes by there aren't violators I come across!
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I will now go and label all my premades so that everyone understands that they are made from my own resources and thus are 'safe'. We are more than happy to let people use our stock for premades - but I have to admit to feeling a little sad that I don't get to see the final manips when it is created from someone else's premade. Wish there was some automatic way of tracking them, I wouldn't want artists to have to start crediting everyone whose stock was used to make a premade background, how onerous would that be :-)
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CelticStrm-Stock Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Wonderful! :D One thing I do to keep track of the premades made with my stock is that I have a separate folder in my favorites gallery for them. That way I can go back and look at the comments on the premade every now and then to see how artists use it. :)
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:iconaustriaangloalliance:
That's a good idea! I may copy it :-) How I wish we could automate all of this and make life easier for those wanting to use the stock!
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ScatteredAshe Featured By Owner Aug 27, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Very well written and explained! We've just recently changed our rules regarding premades at TAOM, would you mind if I copy this article into a journal over there to help our members have a better understanding of why we've updated our rules regarding submissions and premades? With credit to you as the writer, of course :hug:
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:iconcelticstrm-stock:
CelticStrm-Stock Featured By Owner Aug 27, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Aww thank you! :D You're more than welcome to link this journal to your group journal. :D
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ScatteredAshe Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Linked in our journal here [link]

Thanks again! =D
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ScatteredAshe Featured By Owner Aug 27, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You're welcome and thank you! I'll send you the link once I get it the journal posted =D :hug:
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FuchsiaBud Featured By Owner Aug 27, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
:thumbsup:
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CelticStrm-Stock Featured By Owner Aug 27, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
:D
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:iconpixellyperfectstock:
PixellyPerfectStock Featured By Owner Aug 27, 2012   General Artist
An excellent journal! :clap: I sincerely hope that it's read, passed on and understood. The stock that's provided here on dA, either for free or a nominal fee, is a privilege, not a right, and is too often taken for granted and misused. I am inches away from putting my entire gallery into storage.

This journal's a tad too late for me though~ I've had enough, and won't allow the use of my stock in premade backgrounds anymore. But thank you very much for taking the time to write this. Can journals get DD's? :love:

~Monica
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CelticStrm-Stock Featured By Owner Aug 27, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thank you! :D Hopefully this will help encourage everyone from premade creators to artist follow the rules a little more often. lol
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Nolamom3507 Featured By Owner Aug 27, 2012
Terrific article. I've taken to steering clear of pre-mades entirely due to the plethora of uncredited sources. Pity too, since some are truly lovely.
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CelticStrm-Stock Featured By Owner Aug 27, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Aww thank you! :D
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